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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never watched much Chappelle precisely because too many of the white kids I went to college with or were associated with through debate or whatever, found the show just a little too funny to suit me. 

So I never really gave it much of a chance. When I watched it on occasion, I did see the genius that a lot of folks talk about with him, but...I'm glad he walked away, because I can appreciate his art a lot more in whatever he decides to pursue later...and I tend to think he'll find a new venue or a way to do it. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never watched much Chappelle precisely because too many of the white kids I went to college with or were associated with through debate or whatever, found the show just a little too funny to suit me. </p>
<p>So I never really gave it much of a chance. When I watched it on occasion, I did see the genius that a lot of folks talk about with him, but&#8230;I&#8217;m glad he walked away, because I can appreciate his art a lot more in whatever he decides to pursue later&#8230;and I tend to think he&#8217;ll find a new venue or a way to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lita</title>
		<link>http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/07/17/charlie-and-donnell-are-sellouts/#comment-2920</link>
		<dc:creator>Lita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that I argree, I feel like Charlie and Donnel sold out. The show does not seem as funny without Dave. The show should have ended when he left but since they opted to air it without him he does not have to return all of that $50 mil... I would how much Charlie and Donnell are getting to look like complete fools. And after the season ends, then what?  This show is going to end with this season and they will be unemployed. Isn't is better to have your integrity or would you risk other people not wanting to work with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that I argree, I feel like Charlie and Donnel sold out. The show does not seem as funny without Dave. The show should have ended when he left but since they opted to air it without him he does not have to return all of that $50 mil&#8230; I would how much Charlie and Donnell are getting to look like complete fools. And after the season ends, then what?  This show is going to end with this season and they will be unemployed. Isn&#8217;t is better to have your integrity or would you risk other people not wanting to work with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Dauphin</title>
		<link>http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/07/17/charlie-and-donnell-are-sellouts/#comment-2919</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Dauphin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno if I'd go so far as to say dudes were sellouts. Charlie and Donnell just worked there, it's not like they were a family or something. I think the feeling of disappointment with dudes (on my end, at least) had to do how their being the hosts of those bullshit "lost episodes" punctured my fantasy of the Chapelle Show as some kind of utopia where a bunch of incredibly talented people came together to do some amazing work and get paid boocoup $$ for it to boot. Every time I saw one of the really great episodes I'd mumble to myself that THAT was where I needed to be working, that THOSE were dudes I wanted to spend 10 hours a day with chasing deadlines.  Turns out it was a bullshit office just like any other locale.

I will say that the sketches are pretty fascinating just as a map of Dave's creative crack-up. Every single one of them was about being post 50MM Dave. The pixie sketch didn't strike me as worth quitting over. I think Dave was just tired: From what I understand of his process he wrote and reshot things until they were right. The pixie sketch seems like something he would have been able to punch into shape first season, but by the time it was shot he had run out of steam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno if I&#8217;d go so far as to say dudes were sellouts. Charlie and Donnell just worked there, it&#8217;s not like they were a family or something. I think the feeling of disappointment with dudes (on my end, at least) had to do how their being the hosts of those bullshit &#8220;lost episodes&#8221; punctured my fantasy of the Chapelle Show as some kind of utopia where a bunch of incredibly talented people came together to do some amazing work and get paid boocoup $$ for it to boot. Every time I saw one of the really great episodes I&#8217;d mumble to myself that THAT was where I needed to be working, that THOSE were dudes I wanted to spend 10 hours a day with chasing deadlines.  Turns out it was a bullshit office just like any other locale.</p>
<p>I will say that the sketches are pretty fascinating just as a map of Dave&#8217;s creative crack-up. Every single one of them was about being post 50MM Dave. The pixie sketch didn&#8217;t strike me as worth quitting over. I think Dave was just tired: From what I understand of his process he wrote and reshot things until they were right. The pixie sketch seems like something he would have been able to punch into shape first season, but by the time it was shot he had run out of steam.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/07/17/charlie-and-donnell-are-sellouts/#comment-2918</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn't the white pixie not having, or playing into, a stereo-type fit the point that Dave may have been trying to make--that most white people feel they have no stereo-types, and the joke's really on them (whites)?

Maybe the guy's "laugh" alerted Dave to the fact that, "Hey, they really 'don't' get it!"

P.S.
I haven't seen the show, but I'm basing this on comments here regarding the skit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the white pixie not having, or playing into, a stereo-type fit the point that Dave may have been trying to make&#8211;that most white people feel they have no stereo-types, and the joke&#8217;s really on them (whites)?</p>
<p>Maybe the guy&#8217;s &#8220;laugh&#8221; alerted Dave to the fact that, &#8220;Hey, they really &#8216;don&#8217;t&#8217; get it!&#8221;</p>
<p>P.S.<br />
I haven&#8217;t seen the show, but I&#8217;m basing this on comments here regarding the skit.</p>
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		<title>By: eauhellzgnaw</title>
		<link>http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/07/17/charlie-and-donnell-are-sellouts/#comment-2917</link>
		<dc:creator>eauhellzgnaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TheOtherBo, I'm curious as to why you were offended by the reparations sketch. 

I thought the pixie sketch was funny for the most part, though it, like all of the new sketches, needed editing. 

The black pixie was the best, and the Ying Yang Twins bit caught me off guard and had me rolling. The others were problematic for various reasons, mostly due to writing.  In the Latino one, the guy from Half Baked is simply a terrible actor. In the Asian one, while the guy did a good acting job, they didn't choose the right stereotype.  In the first white one, the situation wasn't right--they should have had a white guy interacting with a black stranger.  And the final white guy one was pointless.

I agree that the post-sketch discussion was some Grade A.  I don't blame Donnell and Charlie for hosting--what are they going to do, turn it down?--but it is clear that they are uncomfortable, but that might just be because they, being untalented, are out of their league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheOtherBo, I&#8217;m curious as to why you were offended by the reparations sketch. </p>
<p>I thought the pixie sketch was funny for the most part, though it, like all of the new sketches, needed editing. </p>
<p>The black pixie was the best, and the Ying Yang Twins bit caught me off guard and had me rolling. The others were problematic for various reasons, mostly due to writing.  In the Latino one, the guy from Half Baked is simply a terrible actor. In the Asian one, while the guy did a good acting job, they didn&#8217;t choose the right stereotype.  In the first white one, the situation wasn&#8217;t right&#8211;they should have had a white guy interacting with a black stranger.  And the final white guy one was pointless.</p>
<p>I agree that the post-sketch discussion was some Grade A.  I don&#8217;t blame Donnell and Charlie for hosting&#8211;what are they going to do, turn it down?&#8211;but it is clear that they are uncomfortable, but that might just be because they, being untalented, are out of their league.</p>
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		<title>By: ETS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ETS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry and Charlie gotta eat. Dave ain't think about that. He hasn't called them dudes nor has he offered them other jobs. That's not what friends do. That's what self-consumed co-workers do. And that's what Dave is/was. Am I saying he's wrong for leaving the show? No. I'm just saying he thought about Dave first. And because he aint think about Charlie and Larry then, they owe him no loyalty now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry and Charlie gotta eat. Dave ain&#8217;t think about that. He hasn&#8217;t called them dudes nor has he offered them other jobs. That&#8217;s not what friends do. That&#8217;s what self-consumed co-workers do. And that&#8217;s what Dave is/was. Am I saying he&#8217;s wrong for leaving the show? No. I&#8217;m just saying he thought about Dave first. And because he aint think about Charlie and Larry then, they owe him no loyalty now.</p>
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		<title>By: nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chappelle might have heard that nefarious sounding laughter for the first time in his audience but no doubt there are thousands of white folk who were laughing like that cat while watching it from their homes. in other words, regardless of what intellectual spin he was trying to bring to his skits, many folk won't get it, nor will they want to get it. if a person is inclined to see other folk superficiallly then his skits won't change that.

ultimately, its up to the individual to figure out how much effort he or she will put into trying to glean the message intended by the artist from what's being shown or heard. as artists, all we can do is be clear with our intent. that's it. folk are gonna see all that stuff how they wanna see it.

the presence of charlie and donnell on that show brings up an issue we all face...if they hadn't done the show, what would it have meant for them? is being loyal to dave gonna pay their bills? when dave left, was he concerned about what would happen to those cats now that he abruptly ended their means of getting paid? did he make provisions for them? was he supposed to?

while the show itself was definitely an edited snow job, was it their responsibility to make it otherwise? no. and i don't think they're sell-outs because of it. to me, a sell-out is someone who sacrifices principles and creativity as personal expression for money. i don't think donnell and charlie ever came across as cats who were in the game for any other reason than the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chappelle might have heard that nefarious sounding laughter for the first time in his audience but no doubt there are thousands of white folk who were laughing like that cat while watching it from their homes. in other words, regardless of what intellectual spin he was trying to bring to his skits, many folk won&#8217;t get it, nor will they want to get it. if a person is inclined to see other folk superficiallly then his skits won&#8217;t change that.</p>
<p>ultimately, its up to the individual to figure out how much effort he or she will put into trying to glean the message intended by the artist from what&#8217;s being shown or heard. as artists, all we can do is be clear with our intent. that&#8217;s it. folk are gonna see all that stuff how they wanna see it.</p>
<p>the presence of charlie and donnell on that show brings up an issue we all face&#8230;if they hadn&#8217;t done the show, what would it have meant for them? is being loyal to dave gonna pay their bills? when dave left, was he concerned about what would happen to those cats now that he abruptly ended their means of getting paid? did he make provisions for them? was he supposed to?</p>
<p>while the show itself was definitely an edited snow job, was it their responsibility to make it otherwise? no. and i don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re sell-outs because of it. to me, a sell-out is someone who sacrifices principles and creativity as personal expression for money. i don&#8217;t think donnell and charlie ever came across as cats who were in the game for any other reason than the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the thing...I don't really get Charlie and Donnell as "artists."  You can certainly participate in an art form without being artistic - and so, Charlie and Donnell don't appear to me "lovers of the game."  

With that said, if you're in the game and you don't love the game...you're probably in it for the money.  So, Dave's leaving his show - and taking much of their earning power with him - is really not the signature moment here.  

It seems to me that this is the cornerstone of mediocrity...doing something you don't love for some reason that will eventually put you at odds with those who do it for the love.  I believe its known as a failure to keep it real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing&#8230;I don&#8217;t really get Charlie and Donnell as &#8220;artists.&#8221;  You can certainly participate in an art form without being artistic - and so, Charlie and Donnell don&#8217;t appear to me &#8220;lovers of the game.&#8221;  </p>
<p>With that said, if you&#8217;re in the game and you don&#8217;t love the game&#8230;you&#8217;re probably in it for the money.  So, Dave&#8217;s leaving his show - and taking much of their earning power with him - is really not the signature moment here.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that this is the cornerstone of mediocrity&#8230;doing something you don&#8217;t love for some reason that will eventually put you at odds with those who do it for the love.  I believe its known as a failure to keep it real.</p>
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		<title>By: cnulan</title>
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		<dc:creator>cnulan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He sees his work as being subconsciously intellectual&lt;/i&gt;

and so it is..., (btw - I'll be using that expression, &lt;b&gt;subconsciously intellectual&lt;/b&gt; on the regular from here on out - thanks)

&lt;i&gt;For Comedy Central to touch on what concerned Dave, it would have to talk to some regular, run-of-the-mill white folks and ask them why they found the sketch to be humorous. After all, those are the people that worried Dave.&lt;/i&gt;

I have very grave doubts about the ability of &lt;i&gt;run-of-the-mill white folks&lt;/i&gt; to engage in the same type of introspection that gives rise to subconscious intellectual performance.  

Consequently, &lt;i&gt;run-of-the-mill white folks&lt;/i&gt; are susceptible to racist propaganda in ways that many black folks are not. They can exist in a state of extreme internal contradiction in which their subconscious is filled to the brim with biases, yet their rational minds deny any volitional racist intent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He sees his work as being subconsciously intellectual</i></p>
<p>and so it is&#8230;, (btw - I&#8217;ll be using that expression, <b>subconsciously intellectual</b> on the regular from here on out - thanks)</p>
<p><i>For Comedy Central to touch on what concerned Dave, it would have to talk to some regular, run-of-the-mill white folks and ask them why they found the sketch to be humorous. After all, those are the people that worried Dave.</i></p>
<p>I have very grave doubts about the ability of <i>run-of-the-mill white folks</i> to engage in the same type of introspection that gives rise to subconscious intellectual performance.  </p>
<p>Consequently, <i>run-of-the-mill white folks</i> are susceptible to racist propaganda in ways that many black folks are not. They can exist in a state of extreme internal contradiction in which their subconscious is filled to the brim with biases, yet their rational minds deny any volitional racist intent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not so sure any more that Charlie and Donnell are necessarily sellouts.  They, like Dave's former partner, might just be pissed that their ex-meal ticket walked away from a giant pile of cash for reasons that they don't understand.  And, in some respect, I don't blame them.  Sure, Chappelle had his reasons for doing what he did, and they more or less seem like good ones, but it also comes off as a bit pretentious and self-righteous to a lot of people.  It's his show and his right to leave, so that's fine, but I don't know that Charlie and that ugly little troll Donnell really owe him much of anything beyond the work they already put in.  If they owe him for the opportunities they had, then you could argue that Chappelle owes Comedy Central as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure any more that Charlie and Donnell are necessarily sellouts.  They, like Dave&#8217;s former partner, might just be pissed that their ex-meal ticket walked away from a giant pile of cash for reasons that they don&#8217;t understand.  And, in some respect, I don&#8217;t blame them.  Sure, Chappelle had his reasons for doing what he did, and they more or less seem like good ones, but it also comes off as a bit pretentious and self-righteous to a lot of people.  It&#8217;s his show and his right to leave, so that&#8217;s fine, but I don&#8217;t know that Charlie and that ugly little troll Donnell really owe him much of anything beyond the work they already put in.  If they owe him for the opportunities they had, then you could argue that Chappelle owes Comedy Central as well.</p>
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