Comments on: 25 Dope Remixes http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/ The takeover. The break's over. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:55:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: eauhellzgnaw http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3868 eauhellzgnaw Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:38:35 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3868 I understand. That's a very fair point. I think Diddy's Monch impersonation isn't half bad. Oddly enough, he has a bigger problem trying to sound like Nas. I understand. That’s a very fair point.

I think Diddy’s Monch impersonation isn’t half bad. Oddly enough, he has a bigger problem trying to sound like Nas.

]]> By: Shot Clock http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3860 Shot Clock Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:52:22 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3860 eauhellzgnaw: First of all, your name gets me every time, haha. Second of all, I couldn't agree with you more. I agree that voice and cadence and flow has a LOT to do with how well a rapper is received. My only point was, in retrospect, that if someone is gonna praise a rapper on what he said in terms of lyrics, they shouldn't be so quick to praise him/her specifically until they know he actually wrote it. That's all. But you made some great points and I completely agree with all of them. Btw, Monch actually writes a lot of Diddy's ish. I've heard that he wrote over 50% of "Press Play." eauhellzgnaw:

First of all, your name gets me every time, haha. Second of all, I couldn’t agree with you more. I agree that voice and cadence and flow has a LOT to do with how well a rapper is received. My only point was, in retrospect, that if someone is gonna praise a rapper on what he said in terms of lyrics, they shouldn’t be so quick to praise him/her specifically until they know he actually wrote it. That’s all. But you made some great points and I completely agree with all of them.

Btw, Monch actually writes a lot of Diddy’s ish. I’ve heard that he wrote over 50% of “Press Play.”

]]> By: eauhellzgnaw http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3843 eauhellzgnaw Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:24:04 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3843 ^^^ I think that this is the biggest problem with most rap criticism. Yes, rap centers around lyrics, but the voice, flow, cadence, etc. is just as important, and in many cases, even more important. It is music, after all, despite what the old folks say. Rapping is not simply a delivery system for words. Good rappers have to be good vocalists. Good lyricists are not necessarily good vocalists (anybody whose been disappointed by hearing a great poet read his or her work knows what I'm talking about). Just about everyone I know who's been listening to rap since the early 80s through the early 90s, praises rappers for the HOW as much as for the WHAT. Have you never talked to a Buckshot fan? A Monch or Guru fan, a fan of Biggie, Pac, Snoop, hell, a fan of any Southern rapper with a drawl? In my experience, the only people who act as if vocalism doesn't matter are rock critics, who don't really "get" rap on its own terms, as well as those who actively hate anything mainstream or not "conscious." These people often fool themselves into thinking that mediocre or terrible rappers are good simply because they have a relatively positive message. ^^^

I think that this is the biggest problem with most rap criticism.

Yes, rap centers around lyrics, but the voice, flow, cadence, etc. is just as important, and in many cases, even more important. It is music, after all, despite what the old folks say.

Rapping is not simply a delivery system for words. Good rappers have to be good vocalists. Good lyricists are not necessarily good vocalists (anybody whose been disappointed by hearing a great poet read his or her work knows what I’m talking about).

Just about everyone I know who’s been listening to rap since the early 80s through the early 90s, praises rappers for the HOW as much as for the WHAT. Have you never talked to a Buckshot fan? A Monch or Guru fan, a fan of Biggie, Pac, Snoop, hell, a fan of any Southern rapper with a drawl?

In my experience, the only people who act as if vocalism doesn’t matter are rock critics, who don’t really “get” rap on its own terms, as well as those who actively hate anything mainstream or not “conscious.” These people often fool themselves into thinking that mediocre or terrible rappers are good simply because they have a relatively positive message.

]]> By: Shot Clock http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3828 Shot Clock Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:31:10 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3828 I care because then they shouldn't be quoted for that line and given credit. Singers get praise for how they sing a line, not usually for what they say. Rappers get praise for what they say, not how they sing it or say it. So from that standpoint, if you're gonna quote Diddy, just make sure you realize that he didn't really have a say in it. You may not care. But I do. I care because then they shouldn’t be quoted for that line and given credit. Singers get praise for how they sing a line, not usually for what they say. Rappers get praise for what they say, not how they sing it or say it. So from that standpoint, if you’re gonna quote Diddy, just make sure you realize that he didn’t really have a say in it.

You may not care. But I do.

]]> By: Leroy http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3818 Leroy Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:12:07 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3818 Who cares if Puff or rappers don't write their own lyrics. Most singers don't writer their own lyrics either. Who cares if Puff or rappers don’t write their own lyrics. Most singers don’t writer their own lyrics either.

]]> By: Shot Clock http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3806 Shot Clock Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:55:07 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3806 I'm virtually positive that Puffy doesn't write anything and gets ghostwritten almost as much as Dr. Dre, if not more. On the flip side, his new album is fire - you know he doesn't write his own stuff when he admits when he writes "some" of his songs. Either way, he's cool by me. I’m virtually positive that Puffy doesn’t write anything and gets ghostwritten almost as much as Dr. Dre, if not more. On the flip side, his new album is fire - you know he doesn’t write his own stuff when he admits when he writes “some” of his songs.

Either way, he’s cool by me.

]]> By: Fenaba http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3791 Fenaba Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:57:18 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3791 Best Remixes ever: Freek-n-u Jodeci Anything -Remix SWV In my Bed Dru Hill One More Chance BIG Come and Talk to Me Jodeci Fantasy w/ ODB Mariah Carey Tour Capleton (don't sleep on the reggae :) ) I Want to Be Down (Remix) Brandy U Don't Have to Call Usher feat. Ludacris All About the Benjamins Puff and Family No One Else (Remix) Total I think I can go on and on...but honestly, HOW AMAZING were the 90's! Damn, I miss a good remix with ghostface, ODB, BIG, Meth... Best Remixes ever:

Freek-n-u
Jodeci

Anything -Remix
SWV

In my Bed
Dru Hill

One More Chance
BIG

Come and Talk to Me
Jodeci

Fantasy w/ ODB
Mariah Carey

Tour
Capleton (don’t sleep on the reggae :) )

I Want to Be Down (Remix)
Brandy

U Don’t Have to Call
Usher feat. Ludacris

All About the Benjamins
Puff and Family

No One Else (Remix)
Total

I think I can go on and on…but honestly, HOW AMAZING were the 90’s! Damn, I miss a good remix with ghostface, ODB, BIG, Meth…

]]> By: Brew City Drew http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3790 Brew City Drew Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:12:54 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3790 "Welcome to Atlanta" remix. For my money, Puffy absolutely kills it. " Welcome to New York muthafuckas, where we don't play and out-of-towners get got like every day." I love hearing that shit come from Puff's mouth. I think he's got a money voice, cadence, and accent. “Welcome to Atlanta” remix. For my money, Puffy absolutely kills it. ” Welcome to New York muthafuckas, where we don’t play and out-of-towners get got like every day.” I love hearing that shit come from Puff’s mouth. I think he’s got a money voice, cadence, and accent.

]]> By: Shot Clock http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3782 Shot Clock Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:17:42 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3782 As for recent remixes, I'd add, the Go Crazy remix with Jeezy and Jigga man. I don't think Jeezy is even close to peaking yet - he's just figuring out the rap game right now cause he's fresh into it. But I think in another few years, when he breaks some more eardrums with stronger lyrical records - we'll think about when Jigga man dropped the best post-Black Album verse with Jeezy setting the table. I obviously can always do without Fat Joe, but it's worth it just for Jeezy and Jigga. As for recent remixes, I’d add, the Go Crazy remix with Jeezy and Jigga man. I don’t think Jeezy is even close to peaking yet - he’s just figuring out the rap game right now cause he’s fresh into it. But I think in another few years, when he breaks some more eardrums with stronger lyrical records - we’ll think about when Jigga man dropped the best post-Black Album verse with Jeezy setting the table. I obviously can always do without Fat Joe, but it’s worth it just for Jeezy and Jigga.

]]> By: eauhellzgnaw http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3780 eauhellzgnaw Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:12:35 +0000 http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2006/10/13/25-dope-remixes/#comment-3780 Nice. Bjork's remixes are always interesting, especially the "Bachelorette"/"Joga" ones. I'm also a fan of the "Simon Says" Remix, but only the verses by Redman and Monch--he sounds like he's possessed on this one! More rap remix goodness: O.C.'s "Born 2 Live" (Organized Konfusion mix). Slick Rick's "Behind Bars" (Dum Ditty Dum Remix). NWA's "Dopeman" remix. Cappadonna's "Slang Editorial" (Madlib remix). This is a face-scruncher. Just nasty. Madlib is also responsible for 2 Common remixes ("Car Horn" and "I Gotta Right") and 2 MOP remixes ("No Holds Barred" and "Stompdashitoutya") that are exceptional--he puts MOP over smoothed out, jazzy keys, and it works! Nice.

Bjork’s remixes are always interesting, especially the “Bachelorette”/”Joga” ones.

I’m also a fan of the “Simon Says” Remix, but only the verses by Redman and Monch–he sounds like he’s possessed on this one!

More rap remix goodness:

O.C.’s “Born 2 Live” (Organized Konfusion mix).

Slick Rick’s “Behind Bars” (Dum Ditty Dum Remix).

NWA’s “Dopeman” remix.

Cappadonna’s “Slang Editorial” (Madlib remix). This is a face-scruncher. Just nasty.

Madlib is also responsible for 2 Common remixes (”Car Horn” and “I Gotta Right”) and 2 MOP remixes (”No Holds Barred” and “Stompdashitoutya”) that are exceptional–he puts MOP over smoothed out, jazzy keys, and it works!

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