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	<description>The takeover.  The break's over.</description>
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		<title>By: SR</title>
		<link>http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2009/11/13/barnes-recruitment-like-no-other/comment-page-1/#comment-834297</link>
		<dc:creator>SR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very proud of my school and the fact they have a great deal of students from North Carolina.  

Let&#039;s cut right through this dook bull.  Dook prides itself (and always have) on having an inordinant amount of &quot;people from the north.&quot;  This melodious group think they are &quot;bad medicine&quot; when addressing their basketball team.  They&#039;re not bad.  They just look bad, sound bad and mostly stink badly.

Harrison Barnes committed to North Carolina for many reasons.  I suspect the principle reason was, he simply wants to be a winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very proud of my school and the fact they have a great deal of students from North Carolina.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s cut right through this dook bull.  Dook prides itself (and always have) on having an inordinant amount of &#8220;people from the north.&#8221;  This melodious group think they are &#8220;bad medicine&#8221; when addressing their basketball team.  They&#8217;re not bad.  They just look bad, sound bad and mostly stink badly.</p>
<p>Harrison Barnes committed to North Carolina for many reasons.  I suspect the principle reason was, he simply wants to be a winner.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.bomanijones.com/blog/2009/11/13/barnes-recruitment-like-no-other/comment-page-1/#comment-833682</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bobdobbs, you aren&#039;t analyzing this comparison very intelligently.  You said, &quot;UNC is more selective of its out of state applicants than Duke is of their applicant pool i.e. it’s more difficult to get into UNC as a non-resident than to get into Duke?&quot;  Well, that&#039;s just a completely silly argument you&#039;re trying to make.  Are you aware that at UNC the percentage of students from the state of North Carolina must be at least 82%?  Yes, 82%!!!!  That leaves only 18% of the student body from outside the state of North Carolina.  So you think that the 18% that UNC admits from outside the state is something that should be compared to 100% of Duke&#039;s student body?  How utterly preposterous.  Your argument is nonsensical and completely irrelevant.  It is dramatically more difficult to get accepted to Duke University than to UNC.  It&#039;s not even comparable.  It&#039;s like comparing Yale to UVa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bobdobbs, you aren&#8217;t analyzing this comparison very intelligently.  You said, &#8220;UNC is more selective of its out of state applicants than Duke is of their applicant pool i.e. it’s more difficult to get into UNC as a non-resident than to get into Duke?&#8221;  Well, that&#8217;s just a completely silly argument you&#8217;re trying to make.  Are you aware that at UNC the percentage of students from the state of North Carolina must be at least 82%?  Yes, 82%!!!!  That leaves only 18% of the student body from outside the state of North Carolina.  So you think that the 18% that UNC admits from outside the state is something that should be compared to 100% of Duke&#8217;s student body?  How utterly preposterous.  Your argument is nonsensical and completely irrelevant.  It is dramatically more difficult to get accepted to Duke University than to UNC.  It&#8217;s not even comparable.  It&#8217;s like comparing Yale to UVa.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You clearly aren’t either a Duke or UNC alum or you wouldn’t be parroting such nonsense. Did you know, JM, that UNC is more selective of its out of state applicants than Duke is of their applicant pool i.e. it’s more difficult to get into UNC as a non-resident than to get into Duke?&quot;

OK, let&#039;s get one thing straight... &quot;Percent admitted&quot; is not really an indicator of selectivity... Trust me, every idiot in my high school (not in NC) with above a 1200 on the SAT and a vague interest in basketball applied to UNC. I don&#039;t think the applicant pools really overlap as much as you&#039;d like to think..

&quot;However, for a kid who “reads Warren Buffet” it should be pretty obvious that while Duke is the overall better academic institution they do not compare to Kenan-Flagler.&quot;

Be honest with yourself, the top firms are not recruiting at UNC like they are at Duke, &quot;business school&quot; or not. Last year when the sh&amp;t hit the fan, top firms recruiting for internships were narrowing their lists. Morgan Stanley only recruited on campus only at Harvard, Yale, Wharton, and Duke. I realize this has tons to do with perception / legacy issues, but it&#039;s really self-fulfilling. Maybe 20 years ago Duke wasn&#039;t at that level, but the perception of being a top 10 institution has drawn top students and professors to the school. Maybe Duke doesn&#039;t have an accounting major, but you can learn that stuff in a month on the job. Point is, if you want to get a job at a top firm in &quot;business,&quot; you go to Duke, hands down. 

That being said, I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll Mr. Barnes making corporate finance deals anytime soon. If I had a chance to be a pro ball player, I would&#039;ve wanted to go where MJ went, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You clearly aren’t either a Duke or UNC alum or you wouldn’t be parroting such nonsense. Did you know, JM, that UNC is more selective of its out of state applicants than Duke is of their applicant pool i.e. it’s more difficult to get into UNC as a non-resident than to get into Duke?&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, let&#8217;s get one thing straight&#8230; &#8220;Percent admitted&#8221; is not really an indicator of selectivity&#8230; Trust me, every idiot in my high school (not in NC) with above a 1200 on the SAT and a vague interest in basketball applied to UNC. I don&#8217;t think the applicant pools really overlap as much as you&#8217;d like to think..</p>
<p>&#8220;However, for a kid who “reads Warren Buffet” it should be pretty obvious that while Duke is the overall better academic institution they do not compare to Kenan-Flagler.&#8221;</p>
<p>Be honest with yourself, the top firms are not recruiting at UNC like they are at Duke, &#8220;business school&#8221; or not. Last year when the sh&amp;t hit the fan, top firms recruiting for internships were narrowing their lists. Morgan Stanley only recruited on campus only at Harvard, Yale, Wharton, and Duke. I realize this has tons to do with perception / legacy issues, but it&#8217;s really self-fulfilling. Maybe 20 years ago Duke wasn&#8217;t at that level, but the perception of being a top 10 institution has drawn top students and professors to the school. Maybe Duke doesn&#8217;t have an accounting major, but you can learn that stuff in a month on the job. Point is, if you want to get a job at a top firm in &#8220;business,&#8221; you go to Duke, hands down. </p>
<p>That being said, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll Mr. Barnes making corporate finance deals anytime soon. If I had a chance to be a pro ball player, I would&#8217;ve wanted to go where MJ went, too.</p>
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		<title>By: JKP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aptly phrased, bobdobbs.

also another flaw in JM&#039;s argument above:

&quot;...institutions that place an emphasis on athletics over academics. Duke has to struggle to contend with those types of programs just like Stanford...&quot;

Stanford isn&#039;t exactly &quot;struggling&quot; with athletics considering they&#039;ve won the Sears Cup each year other than the inaugural one...which, incidentally was won by Carolina.

Furthermore it stands to reason if Carolina had a smaller student body similar to that of the private schools referenced above, there&#039;s a good chance you would likely see very similar overall admissions data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aptly phrased, bobdobbs.</p>
<p>also another flaw in JM&#8217;s argument above:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;institutions that place an emphasis on athletics over academics. Duke has to struggle to contend with those types of programs just like Stanford&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Stanford isn&#8217;t exactly &#8220;struggling&#8221; with athletics considering they&#8217;ve won the Sears Cup each year other than the inaugural one&#8230;which, incidentally was won by Carolina.</p>
<p>Furthermore it stands to reason if Carolina had a smaller student body similar to that of the private schools referenced above, there&#8217;s a good chance you would likely see very similar overall admissions data.</p>
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		<title>By: bobdobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobdobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;JM&quot; with the typical elitist view. 

You clearly aren&#039;t either a Duke or UNC alum or you wouldn&#039;t be parroting such nonsense. Did you know, JM, that UNC is more selective of its out of state applicants than Duke is of their applicant pool i.e. it&#039;s more difficult to get into UNC as a non-resident than to get into Duke? 

I&#039;m an alum of both Duke and Chapel Hill. Ironically, my experience was that Chapel Hill&#039;s intellectual environment was as rigorous as Duke&#039;s without all the elitest nonsense.

Don&#039;t be so smug (or dumb) as to conflate &quot;private&quot; with superior. The best State institutions --- UNC, Michigan, UVA, Berkeley, UCLA --- are every bit at good as the best private institutions.

But if you want to believe otherwise, it simply proves my point of misplaced elitism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;JM&#8221; with the typical elitist view. </p>
<p>You clearly aren&#8217;t either a Duke or UNC alum or you wouldn&#8217;t be parroting such nonsense. Did you know, JM, that UNC is more selective of its out of state applicants than Duke is of their applicant pool i.e. it&#8217;s more difficult to get into UNC as a non-resident than to get into Duke? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m an alum of both Duke and Chapel Hill. Ironically, my experience was that Chapel Hill&#8217;s intellectual environment was as rigorous as Duke&#8217;s without all the elitest nonsense.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be so smug (or dumb) as to conflate &#8220;private&#8221; with superior. The best State institutions &#8212; UNC, Michigan, UVA, Berkeley, UCLA &#8212; are every bit at good as the best private institutions.</p>
<p>But if you want to believe otherwise, it simply proves my point of misplaced elitism.</p>
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		<title>By: SM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah... Go Heels!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah&#8230; Go Heels!</p>
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		<title>By: SM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I hope this change is bringing SOMEBODY a necessary $demographic$.  Goodmon/Capitol seems generally good, but... currently looks like the carolina clearchannel by effectively squashing engaging local sports flair on-air/online.  No hate on those that made it through, but the LOCAL variety is gone.  I&#039;m a native NC&#039;er in one of the most interesting college sports markets in the U.S., and they want to give me more national heads that can be heard any number of ways, at a variety of times??  There must be something in the no.s the rest of us can&#039;t see.  That said... Aren&#039;t market surveys antiquated/scued now anyway??  

And this from Capitols front-n-center mission,&quot;...creativity &amp; commitment to the community brick by brick...&quot;.  That is the only thing giving me hope that Jim plans to revamp/redistribute.  If not, may drive time day-part data (lunch included) eventually force his hand.  

It&#039;s not that I agreed with you all the time (as someone nicely states above), but... I&#039;ve been a techie immersed in all kinds of media for most of my life and seen the Triangle through much growth.  The Lunch Break occasionally hit on something quite different/special that represented the unique demo - where  old school and new school trains often clash - better than any other outlet.  You know this.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve heard similar comments many times, but I needed to vent after finally giving up on the new format.  I&#039;m going back to podcasts and web content until local media can catch up again. It&#039;s a shame when leaders can&#039;t see through the followers.  Here&#039;s to you staying true... and to another on-air presence in North Cackalacky soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I hope this change is bringing SOMEBODY a necessary $demographic$.  Goodmon/Capitol seems generally good, but&#8230; currently looks like the carolina clearchannel by effectively squashing engaging local sports flair on-air/online.  No hate on those that made it through, but the LOCAL variety is gone.  I&#8217;m a native NC&#8217;er in one of the most interesting college sports markets in the U.S., and they want to give me more national heads that can be heard any number of ways, at a variety of times??  There must be something in the no.s the rest of us can&#8217;t see.  That said&#8230; Aren&#8217;t market surveys antiquated/scued now anyway??  </p>
<p>And this from Capitols front-n-center mission,&#8221;&#8230;creativity &amp; commitment to the community brick by brick&#8230;&#8221;.  That is the only thing giving me hope that Jim plans to revamp/redistribute.  If not, may drive time day-part data (lunch included) eventually force his hand.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I agreed with you all the time (as someone nicely states above), but&#8230; I&#8217;ve been a techie immersed in all kinds of media for most of my life and seen the Triangle through much growth.  The Lunch Break occasionally hit on something quite different/special that represented the unique demo &#8211; where  old school and new school trains often clash &#8211; better than any other outlet.  You know this.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve heard similar comments many times, but I needed to vent after finally giving up on the new format.  I&#8217;m going back to podcasts and web content until local media can catch up again. It&#8217;s a shame when leaders can&#8217;t see through the followers.  Here&#8217;s to you staying true&#8230; and to another on-air presence in North Cackalacky soon.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep it up Bo!  Your stuff is nice.  Duke is done!  Too many white boys and I am white i&#039;ll say it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep it up Bo!  Your stuff is nice.  Duke is done!  Too many white boys and I am white i&#8217;ll say it!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Conder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Conder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Bomani.  BTW, you&#039;re a heck of a good writer (a big step up from many current columnists).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Bomani.  BTW, you&#8217;re a heck of a good writer (a big step up from many current columnists).</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t be serious. It&#039;s one thing to speculate on why he chose UNC and the myriad of reasons possible but it&#039;s simply foolish to think that UNC is even close to Duke academically.  Please.  UNC has never been and never will be a top 10 undergraduate education.  UNC is not even the best state school in the ACC.  See your neighbors in Virginia for that honor.  The kid chose UNC because it is an NBA factory like UCONN and other large state institutions that place an emphasis on athletics over academics.  Duke has to struggle to contend with those types of programs just like Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame, and Vanderbilt to name a few.

The same people that label Duke elitist are the same ones that label Harvard, Yale, Stanford etc...elitist.  Seems like some people use derogatory words when they are jealous of the academic abilities of others.  Typical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t be serious. It&#8217;s one thing to speculate on why he chose UNC and the myriad of reasons possible but it&#8217;s simply foolish to think that UNC is even close to Duke academically.  Please.  UNC has never been and never will be a top 10 undergraduate education.  UNC is not even the best state school in the ACC.  See your neighbors in Virginia for that honor.  The kid chose UNC because it is an NBA factory like UCONN and other large state institutions that place an emphasis on athletics over academics.  Duke has to struggle to contend with those types of programs just like Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame, and Vanderbilt to name a few.</p>
<p>The same people that label Duke elitist are the same ones that label Harvard, Yale, Stanford etc&#8230;elitist.  Seems like some people use derogatory words when they are jealous of the academic abilities of others.  Typical.</p>
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