Preview…continuing in the tradition of these fancy lists, tomorrow’s will be on U2. However, since my U2 knowledge isn’t as strong as it should be, it will be contributed by Ben, the former five-time Red Stripe Reader of the Month. Most of you know that Ben is my favorite reader–of the people I didn’t know and love before this site–and I just gave the list a good read. Great stuff. And if you don’t know much about U2, you need to check his list and start reading up. Probably the most important rock band of the last twenty-five years.
Continuing with reader contributions, I got an interesting e-mail from Decker in Charlotte. It read as follows…
I just read Phil Taylors joint on CNNSI and read Jason Whitlock’s joint on ESPN Pg 2 about the huge contract Weis got….
My question is why do black columnist have to write what white columnist should be writing….instead of Jeremy schaap or some other PTI/Sports reporter like dude saying…. “you know, you have a point” –
Decker raised one of those points I always intend to write about but never get around to.
So why don’t white people write about these things, leaving black folks to do it and, of course, instantly be marginalized as raving racist bastards? Should you not believe this marginalization, give a look to Whitlock’s piece on Charlie Weis and then check this chat wrap.
Some don’t agree with Jason’s take. Ivan Maisel, the dot-com’s college football reporter, has expressed his disagreement. If Notre Dame isn’t acting with racism in this case, it’s surely drowning in hypocrisy. I wish Alan Grant would write something about it, but he’s said he’ll never say anything else about Notre Dame again. And if you think he’s playing, try this on–he wouldn’t even say anything in an e-mail. And he appears to find me to be a fairly decent guy.
Anyway, back to Decker…Decker wants to know why white writers–and maybe white people in general?–are so reserved when it comes to discussing racism. Why is that?
Check out this e-mail a white writer once wrote me.
I also thought the general attitude of the Katrina aftermath was appalling – I am going crazy because I have a column and would love to write that Bush doesn’t give a shit about poor blacks, which he doesn’t, and it’s obvious but I would lose half my readers. To me, the four days after Katrina happened, and the way our government chose to handle it, was one of the worst stretches in the history of this country. I am really discouraged about it.
I’ll never delete this e-mail. I told this guy that he should tackle such topics because he could reach more people than I could. I said that there are morons that read my name and see something about race and instantly rattle off an e-mail that gets posted under hate mail. I told the cat that it’s necessary for him to speak on things because he has more reach simply by virtue of being white. Let’s not forget–the civil rights movement didn’t really get too much love until a couple of white boys got killed. That’s a recurring pattern.
But why not delete this e-mail? Because it never dawned on me that a white man gave white people less credit on their willingness to listen than I had. And believe it or not, I don’t expect a whole helluva lot.
Getting white people to really discuss race is a tricky bag. The problem that might come up with a lot of people is how the persistence of racism flies in the face of all that Protestant Ethic shit. To say that racism is persistent sorta implicitly discount a white person’s accomplishments.
That’s really not what most people are doing when acknowledging racism. But when you’ve been catching the boot of this racism, it has to be discussed. Something I don’t think most white people understand is how much black folks hate having to be black. Not that we hate our culture and all of that–though many civilians and one Supreme Court justice do–but how much we hate that we have to be black. We hate having to deal with all this nonsense. We hate being assumed to be stupid. We hate being assumed to be hoodlums. We hate being the stereotypical portrait of nearly everything bad in this society.
And we really hate that when we mention something that should be self-evident–that racism exists and that we all continue to suffer from it–that we are instantly told that we are playing some bogus notion of a race card.
Race is not the card, folks. It is the table on which all games are played. We wish it was just a card, something that could be easily flipped, discarded, and dealt again. It’s not that. It’s an albatross around our necks that we have no power to eliminate. If anything gives me an ulcer in my life, it will be that. Trust.
I think that was a bit tangential. Sorry.
But why don’t white writers talk about this stuff? It’s more about why don’t white people talk about this stuff more. Part of it is that I don’t think white folks ever have to think of how intricate and nuanced expressions of racism are in this era. Now that it’s out of style to be overtly racist, racism manifests itself insidiously and systemically. It lurks on the low, but in a way that you don’t really see unless you have to deal with it. Kind of like how I’m looking outside of my window and it looks sunny. Only when I go to my car will I realize it’s forty-five degrees.
I say that to say this–a lot of white people really don’t get it until someone else tells them. And how should they? Ask most white people you know who many black people they know. I know for a fact that I’m a lot of people’s only black friend. They just don’t know any black people. If they knew more, they’d know more.
But from their windows, it looks sunny. I frequently am forced to be the one to tell ’em the temperature.
So we’ve got two significant groups at play–those that don’t know any better and those that do but are fearful of the repercussions.
That latter group is the most interesting, and it’s one that needs to be addressed more than anything. In the old days, there was only one thing worse than a nigger–a nigger lover. Sadly, things haven’t changed much. Think of the wigger phenomenon and things like that. That shit still goes strong, unfortunately.
But the saddest thing is how important it is that white people mention these issues. Really, black folks can’t eliminate racism by talking to each other. Screaming out, “stop fuckin with us,” will only go so far. The prevalent assumption is that black folks are hypersensitive to racism, so too many people always think we cry wolf when we do this.
White people are received slightly differently, even if they’re seen as nigger lovers. At ESPN Whitlock, Scoop, Alan, and I can talk about racism until we’re blue in the face. It’ll only help so much. We’ll make a little bit of money, but the change we institute may only be negligible.
Damn shame.
But I’ll close with a bit of a synopsis–to fully address racism must be frightening for a lot of white people. It has to be hard on the ego to acknowledge that one has been helped by privilege after being fed the bullshit about this being a meritocracy.
Bad news–this isn’t a meritocracy. In every way, most of which are independent of race, where you wind up in this world has to do with heuristic devices and signals that have nothing to do with someone’s capabilities or character. That’s just how it is.
And if you’ve been fed that line for a long time, it must be hard to shake.
(And never mind that racism is Pareto optimal. Google that term and it’ll make sense.)
So that’s my take. Rambling, so I apologize. But life must be good when you don’t have to think of racism. It’s no fun when you have to seriously consider it, no matter whether the group to which you belong does the giving or the receiving.

38 Comments
by Arnie!
I love you Bo. glad to see you last night.
I feel like I should be a white columnist..er…um…columnist. The problem is that I have maybe ten good articles in me and then it would be over.
In any case, if I were a c’nist, racism would get some time because I think that it is a deep and useful topic.
Several thoughts that might interest you:
Prefaced by: racism is not cool but hard to control, and nonetheless, frank discussion should be had.
1) People write to their perceived audiences. And, could you guess, their subconcious audience tends to look like they do. This leads to a slightly more cynical conclusion: whites sometimes see other races as just museums/art/cultural niceties. “Isn’t life better with the spice added in from all of these the stage props we call minorities–I just love latino culture. Anyway, back to the real world, where things matter, you know, the white world.”
2) “…heuristic devices and signals that have nothing to do with someone’s capabilities or character…”
Agreed. I would comment though that there is some degree of meritocracy. Let me explain. Broad levels of human capital translate into relatively different levels of wages, i.e., an af-amer BS/BA will make more on average than one with just an HS diploma. What is pernicious is that for any given level lots of people have equal capability, racism enters and picks the white guy.
Arnie’s daughter is one of the most adorable little girls in the world. I just had to say that because I miss the Ella Baby.
by Kirk
People, on an aggregate level, have fucked up any and all chance of black people and white people being able to intelligently and rationally discuss the question of race together. There’s too much reactionary bullshit and stupidity from all sides.
If a white writer writes an article on racism, there’s a good chance that they’ll end up being labeled as racist by at least a small part of the reader base, regardless of the content of the article. That’s important, because what I think a lot of people don’t consider is that being labeled a racist, if it takes hold and people start to believe it, can ruin someone professionally whether it’s true or not. My guess is that for a lot of white writers, the perceived risks just simply outweigh the possible benefits.
by Stephanie
Our perspective is different because whenever we walk into any room, we become the “black” person. Whatever we are after that doen’t matter, because that is always the first thing you are. White folks don’t have to deal with that. They get to be whatever adjective first. They may not even be label white because it is just a given. So hell no they don’t write about it, that would be pointing the finger back at themselves and admitting their own wrong. America hates to do that, ask our current president.
The guy who wrote you the email said something that some white people think but would never share with anyone else. You have to remember that our society with its suburbanism, makes people want to blend in. White people don’t want to stand out from the crowd. It is what we as black people excel and strive for and it is why they will never set the standard for cool.
The other thing is, it is all about perspective. If you are the one doing the kicking, you hurt a little but it’s not a big deal to you. If you are the one BEING kicked, you hurt a hell of a lot more and you are going to scream and holler to draw attention to it. Unfortunately because you are the one that it is happening to, white people see you as crying wolf. And therefore try to make whatever you say invalid.
by aliajsmith
“Race is not the card, folks. It is the table on which all games are played.” Classic.
Next time one of my (Black and Latino) students flashes on one of my (White) coworkers, and they complain about the “race card” being pulled, can I please, please quote you?
Long as I get my citation, shawty.
by LBJ
I agree with Kirk, what benefits are there to a white columnist talking about racism, he’s done for either way. He either hates African-Americans or hates whites in alot of people’s mind post-article. Weis and Willingham’s first years mirror each other in alot of way but one. Notre Dame played the best team in the country and stuck with them. I dont know about the rest of y’all but thats a big difference from the Willingham days.
by Decker
Interesting analogy Kirk, the kicking analogy. I wrote the email and working in corp amwerica we get drunk on our whole “inclusive meritocracy” blah blah blah. I often hear the water cooler talk about this stuff and its mindblowing..but more than that it is dehumanizing because it feels like I am being kicked (your analogy). In response to a lot of the race talk I find myself having to explain that I don’t hate white people, but its assumed whenever a black person talks about racism they automatically hate white people.
by LBJ
it’s also assumed (at least at my HS)that if you talk about race then you don’t like black people.
by Kirk
And both of those situations, especially in their similarities, are good examples of the stupidity I mentioned.
And I fully admit that I may be missing something Decker, but what’s the kicking analogy?
LBJ, thanks for the support, but that Weis/Willingham thing is bullshit. Whitlock may not be 100% right, but he’s damn sure in the 90’s. Wanna fire Willingham? Fine, but no way in hell anyone should get a 10 year gig after 7 games, no matter who they play.
by LBJ
Kirk I never said he deserved a 10 yr extension, but I do think this ND team is worlds ahead of where they were last year. And yes the whole offense came back, but the D was predicted to be one of the worst, and while it aint awesome, Weis’ D coordinator has kept them serviceable. Willingham had it close against SC but then he tried two trick plays in a row, a basic no-no whether you are white black hispanic marsian whatever you NEVER call two trick plays in a row. I realize SC beat Notre Dame but they look like a lot better team not one that was just getting by(Willingham’s first team). And when Willingham got hired I wanted him to make it, the first black coach at Notre Dame, becuase I’m white doesn’t mean I didn’t want the first black coach at Notre Dame to succeed. I thought it was a great story, but personally I thought the players looked unmotivated and disinterested after that annual SC whooping every year. Believing in themselves will take them a long way. Again I can’t stress enough I don’t think he deserved that long of an extension but it doesn’t have to do with racism, remember SC and Notre Dame are “rivals” when you lose to your rival, esp. like Willingham did it’ll kill ya.
While less damaging than one of the twenty-one point variety, let’s not act like a one point loss is anything but a loss. I also wouldnt’ say a defense that’s 59th in scoring and 97th in yardage is serviceable. That’s terrible.
by Kirk
Weis also lost to USC.
Lose big = lose your job, lose small = extension?
by Kirk
Weis also lost to USC.
Lose big = lose your job, lose small = extension?
by Sooner Kip
As for the U2 list, I think that if you have to outsource it out Bo, I wouldn’t even do it. This is your blog, so I wanna know what your favorite songs by your favorite artists. So, as big of a fan of U2 as I am, I would stilll say, “Can the U2 list and do one from YOUR music base!”
As for commentary on racism, I always stay out of it. I’m white, so I feel that no matter what I say (I mean whichever side you speak of), it will be racist by someone’s standards, and I’ll get called on it and I don’t need that drama. Case in point.
About 15 years ago while working in an office, after a big client presentation, we had a post-presentation meeting with the team. One of our members had ad-libbed a portion regarding the design process. It went over BIG and really contributed to the overall success of the presentation. Well, in our meeting our boss had said to him in front of the whole team, “Your color commentary was awesome. It really won them over…” He was African-American and he LOST it right there in front of everyone. The boss was called a racist for saying “color commentary.” After explaining that it was a sports metaphor, etc., he said, “I don’t care what it was, you’re white and you can’t say ‘color’ to, or about me or my people.” Even though he felt that he was not in the wrong, he apologized to diffuse the situation. That was basically like an admission of guilt. That was a lesson I learned. I was devastated to learn that no matter what I say, someone will not agree with it (which is human nature, and difference of opinion is good), but you will also will be labeled racist by someone. The question I had about Fisher DeBerry… I would have never asked that out loud. Even though I really wanted to know in earnest what you thought about it, it could have been perceived as rhetorical, and a commentary in and of itself.
I think many white journalists have gone through this, and for that, they stay away… Right or wrong, I understand why, but am disheartened that it happens.
by Sooner Kip
As for the U2 list, I think that if you have to outsource it out Bo, I wouldn’t even do it. This is your blog, so I wanna know what your favorite songs by your favorite artists. So, as big of a fan of U2 as I am, I would stilll say, “Can the U2 list and do one from YOUR music base!”
As for commentary on racism, I always stay out of it. I’m white, so I feel that no matter what I say (I mean whichever side you speak of), it will be racist by someone’s standards, and I’ll get called on it and I don’t need that drama. Case in point.
About 15 years ago while working in an office, after a big client presentation, we had a post-presentation meeting with the team. One of our members had ad-libbed a portion regarding the design process. It went over BIG and really contributed to the overall success of the presentation. Well, in our meeting our boss had said to him in front of the whole team, “Your color commentary was awesome. It really won them over…” He was African-American and he LOST it right there in front of everyone. The boss was called a racist for saying “color commentary.” After explaining that it was a sports metaphor, etc., he said, “I don’t care what it was, you’re white and you can’t say ‘color’ to, or about me or my people.” Even though he felt that he was not in the wrong, he apologized to diffuse the situation. That was basically like an admission of guilt. That was a lesson I learned. I was devastated to learn that no matter what I say, someone will not agree with it (which is human nature, and difference of opinion is good), but you will also will be labeled racist by someone. The question I had about Fisher DeBerry… I would have never asked that out loud. Even though I really wanted to know in earnest what you thought about it, it could have been perceived as rhetorical, and a commentary in and of itself.
I think many white journalists have gone through this, and for that, they stay away… Right or wrong, I understand why, but am disheartened that it happens.
by Rachel S
As a White person who talks about race all the time, I feel uniquely qualified to speak about this subject. LOL!!
Whites who talk about racism (Not race–racism is much more controversial) don’t gain much from their peers and as you note most Whites are oblivious to racism to begin with. I see it in my students every semester; they really don’t know what racism is and what they think it is (KKK, Nazis), isn’t very common anymore. But when we start to talk about things like why they sit at separate tables in the cafeteria or why they live in largely segregated neighborhoods, they are forced to confront racism. Moreover, many Whites haven’t heard everyday Black people talk about their experiences. All of this starts to wear them down because here they are in a class where the subject is race, and they can’t get away from it, which I think helps in the long run.
Most Whites I know don’t mind being racist; they just don’t want to be called on it.
I also see a gender difference in the willingness to acknowledge racism–on the average White women are much more likely to acknowledge racism, but the consequences for White women who are race rebels is greater, so I think many White are silenced by the interaction of racism and sexism.
Your point about the connections between White privilege, White guilt, and the myth of meritocracy is very good. Because acknowledging racism and privilege forces people to confront the myth of meritocracy.
Anyways, I could go on and on and on about this….I’ll put it in my Racism Round Up for the week.
PS-I think I remember a White guy setting off a firestorm earlier this year, when he said Steve Nash’s whiteness helped him get the MVP. I guess an unsual case, but I remember looking it up (not Rex Chapman either, some columnist).
PSS–the table analogy was really good.
by Rachel S
As a White person who talks about race all the time, I feel uniquely qualified to speak about this subject. LOL!!
Whites who talk about racism (Not race–racism is much more controversial) don’t gain much from their peers and as you note most Whites are oblivious to racism to begin with. I see it in my students every semester; they really don’t know what racism is and what they think it is (KKK, Nazis), isn’t very common anymore. But when we start to talk about things like why they sit at separate tables in the cafeteria or why they live in largely segregated neighborhoods, they are forced to confront racism. Moreover, many Whites haven’t heard everyday Black people talk about their experiences. All of this starts to wear them down because here they are in a class where the subject is race, and they can’t get away from it, which I think helps in the long run.
Most Whites I know don’t mind being racist; they just don’t want to be called on it.
I also see a gender difference in the willingness to acknowledge racism–on the average White women are much more likely to acknowledge racism, but the consequences for White women who are race rebels is greater, so I think many White are silenced by the interaction of racism and sexism.
Your point about the connections between White privilege, White guilt, and the myth of meritocracy is very good. Because acknowledging racism and privilege forces people to confront the myth of meritocracy.
Anyways, I could go on and on and on about this….I’ll put it in my Racism Round Up for the week.
PS-I think I remember a White guy setting off a firestorm earlier this year, when he said Steve Nash’s whiteness helped him get the MVP. I guess an unsual case, but I remember looking it up (not Rex Chapman either, some columnist).
PSS–the table analogy was really good.
by ronnie brown
i’ve found that most white folks are comfortable with the notion of, “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then by golly, it must be a duck!”…except when it comes to race.
It’s funny, given the history of this country, that white people can live so comfortably in such denial…I mean, 296 of chattel slavery, you reneged on the 40 acres and a mule, you reversed Reconstruction, you created the KKK, you lynched Black folk on the regular, you then imposed 100 additional years of Jim Crow, you bombed churches, murdered civil rights workers (black and white) resisted the right for Black folk to vote until 1965, etc. etc. etc.
and after all that history, you still insist on being given the “benefit of the doubt”…and if perchance we don’t, you accuse us of playing a “race card” as if white people are hardly capable of acting in such a uncivilized manner!
shocking!
and we wonder out loud why white people don’t write about racism!…the alienation that THEY created!
but i must be crazy, right?
by ronnie brown
i’ve found that most white folks are comfortable with the notion of, “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then by golly, it must be a duck!”…except when it comes to race.
It’s funny, given the history of this country, that white people can live so comfortably in such denial…I mean, 296 of chattel slavery, you reneged on the 40 acres and a mule, you reversed Reconstruction, you created the KKK, you lynched Black folk on the regular, you then imposed 100 additional years of Jim Crow, you bombed churches, murdered civil rights workers (black and white) resisted the right for Black folk to vote until 1965, etc. etc. etc.
and after all that history, you still insist on being given the “benefit of the doubt”…and if perchance we don’t, you accuse us of playing a “race card” as if white people are hardly capable of acting in such a uncivilized manner!
shocking!
and we wonder out loud why white people don’t write about racism!…the alienation that THEY created!
but i must be crazy, right?
by LBJ
Well they are in position to go 9-2 with their closing schedule where as Willingham’s USC game broke late, Weis came in with the big games early and stuck it out. Yea he lost to USC but like I said earlier things go better with the boosters when you at least play on the same level as your rivals as opposed to being embarassed it makes a difference.31 points in Willinghams 3 yeara with his defense that should have been the hallmark of his team giving up 41. 54th last year in yardage while weis has taken a team that starts 4 seniors(this year) and made them make enough plays where their TO margin is 23rd(better than last years 32nd). People may think well thats not a big difference well consider Weis’ offense is considerably less conservative than Willingham’s West Coast and realize that while this D aint going to be one for the ages Weis’ staff did a heck of job with this team. 18 seniors this year to last year’s 32 seniors to work with. See how long a UNC Basketball coach would last goign a little over .500 in 3 years, ohh wait his name is Matt Doherty. Roy Williams is a “golden boy” at UNC just like Weis is at Notre Dame, Willingham and Doherty weren’t so they were on shorter leashes.
All seniors are not created equal. Those 32 from last year were still from Bob Davie’s disastrous tenure. The Doherty/Williams comparison is interesting, though. I think you’re missing part of the point, though. The issue isn’t whether Weis is a good coach or Willingham bad. The question is–how does Weis command an extension in his first year, one where his team hasn’t beaten anyone of consequence, and Willingham did not? Because of that, comparisons to last season are moot.
by Kirk
If we all acknowledge that Weis has done nothing short of turning water into wine a la Jesus Christ with what he’s done at Notre Dame, will you drop it and actually focus on the topic at hand? ‘Cause I think we’d all be happier that way. I know I would.
by ronnie brown
curious white child: “Daddy, White people haven’t treated Black people so good, huh?”
White daddy in denial: “uh…How about those Fightin’ Irish”!
when all else fails, evade!
by ronnie brown
curious white child: “Daddy, White people haven’t treated Black people so good, huh?”
White daddy in denial: “uh…How about those Fightin’ Irish”!
when all else fails, evade!
by big grip
This Weiss issue is intersting. I was looking forward to your bringing it to this site.
The Irish brass are dishonest when they deny the racism of the extension. Ty was treated harshly from the beginning at South Bend. O’leary was hired without a background check. Ty was sloppy secounds, after he endured an anal probe and deemed worthy. How about Ray Rhodes at Green Bay? He lost control of the team and went 8-8. Sherman went 8-8 and it was an accmoplishment Ron Mexico goes 11 for 26, scores 2 TD’s and 3 int’s, he is not “really” a QB. Brett Favre throws FIVE int’s in one game and it is called “a bad day”.
YT does not discuss racism, because it is something he observes, similar to a movie. He can always walk out if he doesn’t like it. We have to live with this EVERY DAY. How many of your college educated professional Black readers have been accosted by the Po-lice for “looking suspicious”? How many of us have been bird dogged in the department store while the white socialite is robbing them blind? How unfortunate. She is a cleptomaniac, (Winona Ryder)
Did you see Scoop Jackson’s article on Phil Jackson?
by LBJ
let’s not argue this with any numbers, lets use anecdotal evidence and general crap talking to win the argument. Wow good thing I didn’t write in an article about my thoughts about the whole Weis/Ty thing my Mailbox replies might have been wrose than his.
by Kirk
You’re right, we should stick to numbers. At this point in their respective tenures, Willingham had a better record than Weis, and with worse players. I’m glad you brought that up.
But really, you clearly have nothing to contribute to this conversation. If and when the discussion of race hinges on whether Notre Dame can manage to compete in Division III, we’ll let you know. Otherwise, let it go.
by Kirk
You’re right, we should stick to numbers. At this point in their respective tenures, Willingham had a better record than Weis, and with worse players. I’m glad you brought that up.
But really, you clearly have nothing to contribute to this conversation. If and when the discussion of race hinges on whether Notre Dame can manage to compete in Division III, we’ll let you know. Otherwise, let it go.
by LBJ
My amazing foresight tells me that in a few weeks Willingham will drop a USC game and lose by 31 points leading everyone to think they are a pretender. While Weis’ loss to their rival was alot less staggering and the home stretch is alot nicer to Weis. So whats the difference between Willingham and Doherty, it seems we have no concrete evidence it is about race and backlash like this further convinces universities to not take chances on Black Head Coaches as they will be closely monitored, unlike if you roll the dice with a Doherty-type then fire him when a better guy becomes available.
by big grip
I heard this statement earlier in the week. It was credited to Orwell. I’m gon’ steal it for this conversation.
All of the pigs in the barnyard are equal. Some are just more “equal” than others.
Hence, the pig named Weiss is more equal than the pig named Tyrone in the ND barnyard.
That’s from Animal Farm, if I recall. In a strange story, I nearly cried when I read that at age twenty. It killed me when the pigs started walking their hind legs. I really don’t know the last time I was that disappointed. Yeah, I’m a revolutionary, baby!
by ronnie brown
Will ANYONE attempt to answer the question: “Why don’t white people write about racism?”
by Kirk
Bomani: Yes, it’s from Animal Farm. And that book is scarier than it is sad.
Ronnie: Not too fucking likely. Apparently college football (or as I like to call it, amateur football) trumps all.
by ronnie brown
Apparently.
by ronnie brown
Apparently.
by Frank
We don’t because of the risks to our jobs and family. Period. We know it still exists, but the majority of us would damage or loose our jobs if we said anything. I have seen it happen. Repeatedly.
The one reason I will never be upper-management material. I don’t laugh at the jokes, innuendoes nor open the email. Unless you are willing to drink the cool-aid, you are always kept outside the inner circle of the one’s making the decisions. I can’t drink it so I am considered an outsider.
The insulting thing is that these people automatically think I am a racist because I am white. They think I will find their jokes and comments funny. Their realization is like cold water on the groin – shocking!
Bo, you have the support of family and friends when you discuss this issue. We don’t. We get isolated because it also runs in our friends and families. No one believes us when we talk about this. That’s why we don’t.
Erin and I refuse to move our son from the one daycare in town that isn’t all white. That’s why we support it and are friends with the owner. She hires talented caring people and doesn’t give crap about color. We may not be vocal, but we can speak with money. Thats all most white people care about anyway.
by Father Figure
I hate to echo some of the earlier posts, but we don’t write about racism because most white people don’t think it exists. Period. They don’t acknowledge their subconscious bias, they don’t acknowledge the effects of segregation (let alone slavery), and they really don’t want to. However, what I’m interested in is the fact that our media canonizes CEOs who act like petulant babies while simultaneously chastizing and castigating young minority athletes for the same behavior.
If you look into the past of people like Jack Welch, Ron Perelman, Al Dunlop, or other famous business managers, you’ll read about infidelity, dishonesty, marital abuse, disregard for human feelings and human life, stalking, and other forms of abusive, bullying behavior. If Allen Iverson did anything similar to that, they would not only be arrested, but you would see hand wringing columns about “the decline of civility in athletes” dropping from Mitch Albom, Jay Mariotti, etc. This double standard is important because white people often blame African American economic distress on “a culture that doesn’t emphasize things that are rewarded in the marketplace,” or a “culture of laziness and poor habits,” etc. My theory is that a focus on that kind of misbehavior by white CEOs would cause some of that racist “culture of poverty” garbage to be discredited, so white writers shy away. Could it be something else?
by ronnie brown
it must be something perversely pathological brewing within the psyche of collective white society…how else can you explain such denial?…
the enslaver calls the enslaved “lazy”…incredible!
That last point is one that’s always blown my mind.
by ronnie brown
it must be something perversely pathological brewing within the psyche of collective white society…how else can you explain such denial?…
the enslaver calls the enslaved “lazy”…incredible!
That last point is one that’s always blown my mind.
by Dan Travis
If you or anyone ever wants to chat with a young person about black and white relations from the perspective of a white kid from the suburbs, email me. I think that the albatross Bomani talks about is one that some black people create for themselves. There, I said it. Ready to recieve flame emails.
Not quite the flame emailing crowd here, as far as I can tell. However, it is a crowd that would like you to explain how blacks have created the albatross.
by dewfish
This is a really good topic. I think Frank from November 5th had one of the best responses so far. I don’t think most white people really acknowledge how strong a force “white privelege” is in america, at least until they lose some of it. They can see a problem, right in front of their face, and pretend it “just doesn’t exist”, so they won’t be left out of the club. I in no way think this justifies ignoring the problems of a large number of american citzens just so you can “fit in”, but white privilege (or fear of the loss of white privilege) is one of the main factors as to why white people never address these problems. That is why the problem has to be so in your face (rodney king verdict/riots, Kanye west’s “Bush doesn’t care about black people”) before white people even admit the problem exists. And even then its always “maybe the problem is worse than we thought” and never “this is a problem we should have solved a long time ago”.
by Brittney
I HATE WHITE PEOPLE YES I’M BLACK GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I HATE YOUR BECAUSE YOUR ARE LIEING DOGS
YOUR ACT LIKE EVERY BLACK PERSON LIVE IN THE GHETTO AND ACT GHETTO AND IS POOR. THAT IS A FUCKING LIE. ME AND LOTS OF OTHER BLACK PEOPLE LIVE IN NICE NEIGHBOORS 4 AND 5 BEDROOMS.
YOU DON’T SEE BLACK PEOPLE ACTING TALKING ABOUT THE POOR WHITE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN TRAILOR PARKS
{TRAILOR PARK TRASH} WE ARE NICE AND DECENT PEOPLE.
MAY YOUR ALL BURN IN HELL WITH THE DEVIL AND WITH YOUR ANCESTORS
Whoa.